Private Underground Fund?

Dear Ilene,

I've since decided to have a listen to the podcast which I found interesting. It seems as though I've heard quite a few "stories" like Michael's before? The truth is that I've been too lazy or apathetic to go deeper into them to verify if indeed people have succeeded in their efforts. Michael sounds credible and lists one of his I suppose successful cases (hancock) on his site, I think this is one of many but like you haven't sussed it much further?

If anything I definitely give credit to anyone who has the salt to go up against the system. Most people these days are intimidated just to look someone in the eye let alone suffer the slings and arrows of going against the grain of pretty much everyone and every thing (clint might know something about this)?

I've kinda more or less reserved myself to embrace the pain and suffering that has endured in one form or another for most of my life. I don't like it but I know there is no utopian alternative and do agree that there is no way to fix a system that was never designed to work in the first place? When we accept that realization then we can all admit to more or lesser degrees that we are all disfunctional, we'd have to be to persist in it this long?

At some point I may leave my apathetic and cynical way of looking at things long enough to find a way out and perhaps the UTC might at least offer a possibility? Hey if you do find something what say you take a look in the pit and throw down a line, we can all use a little help from our friends?

peace

For me too. I actually put in a complaint to Wix and it went to a complaint/review forum but I still never heard back from them.

I've always said you will have to make that choice in your lifetime, identity or Truth, fiction or reality, and that you would be persecuted for that decision if you choose YHVH. At this point, I am asking for a bit of trust, perhaps something hard to ask for these days, that I will do the right thing and, asside from referring the bills I pay to run this site, email, internet, etc to this fund, the remainder will be invested. I can only do this if I can sell some books as they come out, and the site will include a store, to which members will get a discount on printed versions and free pdf. I have lived without what I want for some time, and I will continue to do so, as I believe it keeps me neutral, fair, and honest, without sponsors, etc. I have what I need and am thankful for that... except in this area of spiritual need, the need to find each other andgrow and live together for each other's benefit. That said, I will be working on a new PMA agreement that will include whatever I decide and put it in writing, and will be making this part of a trust. This is a slow learning process and I want to make sure it's done correctly. And so, at some point in the future, this so-called PMA will become an actual PMA that you and myself and any member will need to agree to to continue one's membership. Until then, which could be a while as I have so many projects I feel are important in these times, I will simply ask for your trust, reminding you that in the past 1000's of years we didn't have this technology (art) or the methods to do these things in any organized way except thorugh secret socieities and such, and that it is a privilage to do so out in the open. In the past, trust between patrons was a must. If we don't have that, we have nothing. So I am asking for that above all else at this moment. If I decide this PMA thing ain't working or that it's full of spiteful angry people that cannot trust one-another, then I will quit and be done with it. To this end, I do appriciate all the links to other people doing PMA or other approaches, but I have to be honest that I find so much flaw and incredulity in them all that I cannot with due dilligence give them my approval. To do this right, I will do it at my own speed, like it or not. You are welcome to go and join these other groups and associations and false nations and whatever else they are calling themselves, but here we will ony pursue what is beneficial and proven. The problem as always is that the private remain private. So finding the right way is hard and arduous, time-consuming and has more error in its trial than success. The success must be long-term, and most false profits out there make their money from you by promising false things in the short term, where in the long term you will lose it all or go to jail. I will not be responsible for such decietful practices. But again, you may do as thou wilt as the satanists say when it comes to all that shite out there. But I hope this will be a place that you can always come back to for love and support and Truth while everyone else is trying to rip you off and mislead you. And yes, I think many of them are being paid to do it. -Clint

The idea of a trust is to make property mutual, meaning it is not owned by any one person, therefore the "creditors" cannot sue one person for mutual property. It's a form of protection, placing the property in to a "family" instead of an indivudual. I cannot sue many people for the actions of one, nor can I sue the "agent" of the trust (trustee) for the property held thereof for the many. As for the status of the property, it will alwyas be of the State. The way we act, and the choices we make, that is what determins the diversity of jurisdiction. The Fed is not able to control that which is not "public or interstate or international commerce". Privacy in an association means only dealing with ourselves. If we did need to "trade" or sell goods to support the monastic society we associate in, then we would set up an LLC as an import/export type of company, where all commerce is done through that "person", so none of our own charity amongst each other is legally considered. In other words, no leins could be placed on any of us or the land or monestary because all "business' is done through the LLC, which in no way is attached to us (strawmen) or the land. Keeping all governable, administrative aspects of trade and business outside of their jurisdiction is the key. In this way, there is no need for tax avoidance or other protest, for we are not operating with their protection or permission. We seek no protections and thus suffer no obligations in our privately associated activities. It is up to us to ensure we never devolve from this non-status, non-commercial state of being. So all things reletive to the legal system must be done through a person (company) that is not attached to any of our legal names. We must claim and carry a white stone, to use the Bible reference. We must take new names, under God, if you will, which may or may not be the same. But we must only use the Christian (first) name, never admixing it with legal things. This enjoining of the first and last name is what constitutes the connection to the legal realm. We must respect the first name only, never deviating from this Law, and thus never being able to enter into a legasl contract that requires the full strawman legal name. Hope that makes sense... -Clint

I found an interview on Tom Cowan's podcast with Michael O'Bernicia from England forming the Universal-community-trust.org. Tom is a great BS sniffer so I have a tendency to research this further. Both in the beginning express the patriot BS and the fraud of our government, so it is not a psyop. I know Tom, have spent some time with him, he is a genuine man on the earth and Brilliant alternative medicine man. Anyway, Michael is building an alternative community to bypass the current system in a big way. I'd like to have Clint and Brandon's sniff test. This may be a way to fund a new life and remove ourselves from the corrupt system. https://drtomcowan.com/blogs/podcasts/74-the-bernician?_kx=RyXYu8IWSUydWUqpl19jewoOW87aD38F2ld9y9BN5XrkwsaesHffo-pFohXvjj34.TVKZzX

Ilene

Dear brother or siStar,

Thank you for your continued diligence to find the truth in your life. Being that I'm just another one of the ignorant and don't know anything at all these days please accept this message as an opinion and for entertainment value only. While I do have a healthy respect for clint and brandon, the fact that (in my opinion) everything in organized society is a lie, including large swaths of the bible (and the fact that dozens of volumes have been omitted from it) we can only deduce that "everyone" even if well intentioned do not (can not) have fully accurate explanations of things in the past, present or future based on the information source?

I clicked the link you provided for UCT and spent about an hour inside including listening to the 15 minute audio. I didn't spend any time listening to the podcast for the reason I stated previously. I really liked pretty much everything that I read and heard inside the UCT site. I think anyone who has landed in this private underground platform could not help but like it or at least be intrigued by it?

At this point in my life I am not so concerned with the language as will be clint I suspect? Words like sovereign, unalienable, jurisdiction, magna carta, anarcho nation, perhaps treaty are words that one could dissect to an undesireabe outcome? For me (like I've said in a few past posts), I'm not really caring about these nitty gritty details. There are people "out there" right this very minute doing and living the way they think is right. Whether or not it jibes with the mainstream status quo or will hold up in a bullshit court is irrelivant to me and probably to them. I've never been an i dotting, t crossing type ... times a wasten and by the time someone or some group has figured out "exactly" how to circumvent every last detail of the system I'll be dead and gone and used up the time I have now sitting around waiting for the exact right time living a hermits life in solitude waisting what's left of my health and god given talents on myself and a few birds, squirrels and crows that I occationally feed.

In my view it appears as though this particular trust group has some merit? They are not asking for any money or membership fees outright to join which ticks one box and as I learn more perhaps I'll finally make an attempt to break out of my shell and throw off the psychological ties that have bound me to this satanic system my whole life? Well, perhaps not? For some or maybe most, climbing out of the deep hole that we have created for ourselves (with the help of the system) and are all accustomed to becomes at some point an impossibility, it's a nice "idea" but they might just be shadows on Plato's cave?

kind blessings to you All

This does appear legitmate on many levels. Further research is needed. I put that on you guys. Perhaps you can start another thread about it and add as you find info on that subject?

-Clint